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Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 02 aug 2013, 15:03

Met de hoge temperaturen vond ik de airco niet koud genoeg en heb het systeem laten controleren vlakbij mijn woonplaats bij airco service Mijdrecht.
De airco bleek al omgebouwd naar R134a dus dat lijkt goed.
De fan blijkt echter niet aan te slaan waardoor de druk te hoog oploopt?

Het systeem is nu opnieuw gevuld maar de storing van de fan heb ik nog.

Ik hoop dat iemand weet via welke zekering de fan loopt?
Er staat nu geen spanning op de stekker van de fan.
Ik heb ook begrepen dat het een relay kan zijn? Waar zit dit relay?

Om kosten te besparen heb ik de auto maar weer meegenomen hopende dat iemand hier kan helpen met info of een schema.
Ik zou ook de fan via een bypass kunnen schakelen maar liever hou ik alles origineel.

Ik heb wat foto's gemaakt:
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De witte aansluiting zijn van de (hoge) drukschakelaar.
Daaronder zit de zwarte stekker van de fan.
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Totaal is er 800 gram koelmiddel ingegaan.
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Ik rij dus nu maar even zonder airco om de druk niet te hoog te laten worden.

Weet iemand raad?

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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Bassje » 02 aug 2013, 15:12

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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 02 aug 2013, 15:30

Ja dat zal ook nog kunnen Bas. De contacten van de stekker zijn schoon.
De fan gaat ook via zekering 1 ?

Ik vond nog een PDF die Wiersma een keer deelde:

Daar haal ik dit uit.

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Ik heb dus 1 grote fan aan de linkerkant. En volgens mij moet dat relay dus boven of onder de zekeringkast zitten.

Ik ga straks wel een wat meten als het buiten iets afgekoeld is.
Ik denk dus dat ik relay k8 of k10 moet hebben?
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 02 aug 2013, 15:52

De zekeringkast. Fuse 1 is heel.


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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Orion » 02 aug 2013, 16:07

Die zilvergrijze is van de airco-fan.
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 02 aug 2013, 16:27

Bedankt Leon. Ik heb net het relay doorgemeten en dat is goed. Allebei trouwens.
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Orion » 02 aug 2013, 16:32

Heb je ook al je tempsensor nagekeken voor je airco? Bij sommigen is het de rode met 3 pinnen bovenop en bij andere zit die op de waterpomp. Die pomp heb je laatst vervangen heb je wellicht de stekker niet goed erop gedrukt als ie bij jou daar zit.
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 02 aug 2013, 17:18

Ik heb geen sensor op de waterpomp. Maar de andere sensors zal ik nog nakijken. Het is vreemd want soms draait de fan wel en is alles normaal, maar vaak draait de fan niet en schakelt de aircopomp continu aan en uit.
Ik heb de relais terug geplaatst en de zekering gewisseld en toen deed de airco het normaal. Vervolgens zet ik de motor uit en na weer starten doet ie het weer niet. Misschien toch ergens een slechte verbinding..
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 02 aug 2013, 19:13

Omdat die preresistor ook genoemd wordt in het schakelen van de fan heb ik die goed bekeken en ontdekte een scheurtje in het keramiek. Toen ik probeerde de contacten los te schroeven brak het natuurlijk af. :-(.

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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 02 aug 2013, 22:16

Ja, over die weerstand gaat de blowervermogen.
Deze weerstand moet een weerstand hebben van 0.2 ohm

Nog een toegevoegde schema van de airco (wel van diesel, maar fan verhaal is 100% gelijk)
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Bastian-Hoen » 03 aug 2013, 07:02

er zit ook een relais achter je accu staat clima op dus kan je niet missen
een pinout heb ik hellaas niet maar welicht dat iemand hier je er aan kan helpen
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 03 aug 2013, 07:33

Bedankt mannen! Ik denk dat de weerstand nog wel werkt want de draad is niet gebroken. Het is een spiraaldraad . Het keramiek is alleen koeling. Dus dat is het uiteindelijk ook niet. Ik zal vandaag eens een filmpje maken van wat ik bedoel als de pomp steeds aan en uitgaat.
Die fan gaat alleen aan onder bepaalde omstandigheden weet ik. Maar hij doet dat dus niet zoals het hoort.
De elektrische aansluitingen van de sensor zien er wel slecht uit. Ik zal daar een foto van maken.
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 03 aug 2013, 08:48

Ook even voor de duidelijkheid wat regelt de Fan
Op de droger zit een sensor, die met de 2 bruine draden eraan. Als je deze met elkaar verbind moet de fan gaan draaien.
Dus je trek ze los en aan de kabelboomkant verbind je ze door. Slaat de fan aan, is je sensor stuk.
In j zekeringkast is het zekering 3 geloof ik, ook hier zit een relais in die de fan aanzet.
Je relais achter je accu van de airco heeft niks te maken met de aansturing van je fan.

Je fan word ook aangestuurd als je motor 110 graden bereikt, maar daar gaat het nu ff niet om.

Dus in het kort:
droger sensor verbind door -> daardoor word het relais geactiveerd in de zekeringkast -> stroom gaat door weerstand -> fan draait
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 03 aug 2013, 16:31

Het is me nu duidelijk. Ik heb bij de sloop een ander relais voor achter de accu gehaald maar dat gaf idd geen verschil.
Ook heb ik een andere weerstand gehaald. Dit leek te helpen want heb daarna het volgende filmpje gemaakt:

http://youtu.be/si3CQI8tsDo

Maar...

Ik ging terug naar de aircoservice om het te laten checken maar nadat ze een drukmeter aansloten liep de druk op tot bijna 30 bar nadat de fan weer uitging.

Ik ga dus nu eerst proberen wat jij beschrijft en laat weten hoe dat verloopt. Ik dacht echter dat ze bij de aircoservice gisteren die druksensor ook al kortgesloten hadden. Toen bleef de fan ook uit. Misschien toch het andere relais op de zekeringkast?

Vandaag en morgen helaas geen tijd meer om te kijken dus dat komt later.
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Wiersma » 03 aug 2013, 16:45

Als ik die drukken zo lees, lijkt mij dat je sensor stuk is.
Bij 20 bar fan aan, en bij 15 bar fan uit.

Hoewel met dit weer, als ik de auto stationair laat lopen met de airco aan, gaat de fan niet meer uit, omdat het zo warm is.
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 03 aug 2013, 17:18

Klopt, ik hoop nu dus op de sensor. Volgende week verder.
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Orion » 03 aug 2013, 17:25

Ik hoop dat je het gevonden hebt. Succes.
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Orion » 04 aug 2013, 05:56

Vond dit topic op de W126. Wel interessant als je het zelf wilt vullen.
http://w126club.nl/airco-vullen-volgens ... f2cd3a8652

Zie ook de link: http://www.eurorefrigerant.com/14-r437a ... n49-ex-r12

Dit is natuurlijk wel een manier om het zelf makkelijk te doen: http://www.eurorefrigerant.com/r134a-r1 ... t-1kg.html
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 04 aug 2013, 10:13

Voordat ik naar het strand ga toch nog een paar dingen gemeten.. De drukschakelaar op de droger schakelt netjes aan als de airco ongeveer 30 seconden aanstaat. De fan blijft dan echter uit.
Ook heb ik nu alle 4 de relais bij de fusebox doorgemeten met spanning op de spoel en daarna de contacten gemeten en die zijn ook goed.
Er moet ergens anders iets fout zijn.
Een oplossing zou kunnen zijn om de fan tijdelijk te laten schakelen via de drukschakelaar op de droger via een ander (extra) relais maar ik hoopte toch de fout nog te vinden. Ik hou het liever origineel.
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Re: Airco Fan

Berichtdoor Hakie » 04 aug 2013, 12:17

Ehhhh... Het probleem is opeens opgelost.
Na Wiersma's tip over zekering 3 deze nog nader bekeken. Die viel uit elkaar toen ik hem uit de houder haalde. Toch zagen alle zekeringen er goed uit. Weer op het verkeerde been gezet dus..

In ieder geval weer iets geleerd. Eerst de zekeringen goed checken. Pfff
Ik dacht eigenlijk dat alles via zekering 1 liep maar dat is dus niet zo. Bedankt voor de tip Wiersma
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